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David Clausewitz
The Spawning Pool
Team Liquid
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Posted - 2011.12.02 05:31:00 -
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Ok, I would like to trade one of the lows on my coercer for another medium because one medium-slot ships are pretty terrible and it's like impossible to kill something without a point and propulsion module. Retribution would be happy with the same deal. Please make it happen so my Coercer (and future Retribution) will actually be able to point something while maintaining a MWD/AB!
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David Clausewitz
The Spawning Pool
Team Liquid
4
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Posted - 2011.12.02 06:01:00 -
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That's not gonna be very good at catching things, and it will be even worse for the destroyer. It's just too hard to function as a small ship with only 1 medium. |
David Clausewitz
The Spawning Pool
Team Liquid
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Posted - 2011.12.02 06:45:00 -
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Roderick Tazinas wrote:Solo -> Vengeance.
In fleet you have tacklers.
You need to use the right tool for the right job.
Every tool can do the same point/propulsion job except the Coercer and the Retribution. |
David Clausewitz
The Spawning Pool
Team Liquid
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:05:00 -
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IceBergSlim wrote:David Clausewitz wrote:Roderick Tazinas wrote:Solo -> Vengeance.
In fleet you have tacklers.
You need to use the right tool for the right job. Every tool can do the same point/propulsion job except the Coercer and the Retribution. David, what Roderick posted is just about the best - and politest, lol - answer you'll receive in here. Yes, agreed, those ships with one mid slot aren't what you would expect a pvp ship to have. However, what do you think the dev's were thinking when they created those ships? That they were insta-broken? No. They have a role. Just like every ship ingame. You just have to figure out what that role is and how best to utilise your chosen ship. Surely you realised this before training/buying one? I mean absolutely no offence by this, but Roderick has it nailed down. Everything has a role and/or a purpose in EvE. It's just sometimes we don't see it. believe me, I know, lol.
The good old "everything happens for a reason", "everything was designed for a purpose" argument.
No, not everything happens for a reason. Maybe the devs had a purpose in mind when they designed these two ships, but just because they had been designed for a reason doesn't mean they were well-designed.
These "tools" may have been designed with some purpose in mind, but they are poorly designed tools, bent and broken and inferior in their function to alternatives due to the one medium slot. |
David Clausewitz
The Spawning Pool
Team Liquid
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:24:00 -
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IceBergSlim wrote:David Clausewitz wrote:IceBergSlim wrote:David Clausewitz wrote:Roderick Tazinas wrote:Solo -> Vengeance.
In fleet you have tacklers.
You need to use the right tool for the right job. Every tool can do the same point/propulsion job except the Coercer and the Retribution. David, what Roderick posted is just about the best - and politest, lol - answer you'll receive in here. Yes, agreed, those ships with one mid slot aren't what you would expect a pvp ship to have. However, what do you think the dev's were thinking when they created those ships? That they were insta-broken? No. They have a role. Just like every ship ingame. You just have to figure out what that role is and how best to utilise your chosen ship. Surely you realised this before training/buying one? I mean absolutely no offence by this, but Roderick has it nailed down. Everything has a role and/or a purpose in EvE. It's just sometimes we don't see it. believe me, I know, lol. The good old "everything happens for a reason", "everything was designed for a purpose" argument. No, these ships were badly designed with one medium slot and need to be fixed if they want to be remotely usable in solo/small group pvp work. David, quite simply, you are wrong. Several people have posted in a polite manner regarding your semi-rant, myself included. There is no need to be terse. Obviously you won't be swayed, which is of course your perogative. I just cannot see you getting a bandwagon of agreement behind you. Maybe I'm wrong, and if you feel SO strongly, contact the dev's and ask them for their justification of those ships with one mid slot. Good luck with that, lol.
So that was just a combination of ad hominem and straw man and it completely ignored my legitimate concerns that you either failed to comprehend as a valid response to your argument or just refused to acknowledge as legitimate concerns (which they are).
Quite simply, no you're wrong. Small one-medium ships do not function in this game when you only have two of them, and every other small ship is a better alternative. |
David Clausewitz
The Spawning Pool
Team Liquid
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Posted - 2011.12.03 21:05:00 -
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Khrage wrote:stop asking. get a ceptor pilot to fly with you. the coecer and retri are great for pve and work fine in small hull sized fleets as gank.
Posts like this make me wish there was a dislike button. |
David Clausewitz
The Spawning Pool
Team Liquid
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Posted - 2011.12.03 21:17:00 -
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Klown Walk wrote:They can still work with max dps, plenty of people thinks you have a point and don-Št bother to warp off.
Minority |
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